Re: Are Tiers for Queers?

by DragoonBlaze Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:37 pm

lol I'm 1st! Very Happy

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by Rei Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:04 pm

Zero wrote:if toon link is the 3rd best, who's 1st and 2nd? lol.

Meta Knight is 1st and Snake is 2nd.

by **Zephron©** Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:05 pm

I say vice versa Rei.

by **Zero** Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:07 pm

Zephron© wrote:I say vice versa Rei.

what's vice versa ?

by Rei Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:24 pm

Its not vice versa... unless you were talking about your opinion. Meta Knight is the highest top tier. Snake is second highest top tier.

@ Zero
Vice versa means switching something the other way around.

by **Zephron©** Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:26 pm

In my opinion. I just like Snake better.

by Brawler04 Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:30 pm

1 question. does anyone see ness in there? i cant find him. is it my eyes or is it just that list isnt complete?

by **Zephron©** Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:38 pm

Ness is In the Low tier, and Wolf is in the Standard tier.

by Rei Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:39 pm

No, Ness is not in there. x.x

by **Zephron©** Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:40 pm

Yes he is. Look!

by **Zero** Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:45 pm

the list is fixed, lol.

by Brawler04 Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:47 pm

lol he just edited it look at the time of edite and our post times. lol nt zeph ^^

by Rei Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:48 pm

It's not fixed... Toon Link is still low tier.

by **Zephron©** Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:51 pm

Toon Link is unfortunatly there on the low part in the real tier. The only way I'd lie is to put him in the high tier because he should be there. As for the edit, I wasnt trying to hide. I did fix it.. idk why Ness and Wolf weren't there but oh well.

by Nakayorz Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:04 am

GuruKid wrote:Here are my views on Tiers:

The player who goes for the upper-tier characters solely because of their "superior status" will not be as good as someone who chooses a character based on compatibility, aesthetic quality (a fan of their games), or playstyle. Every player has a different playstyle, and so using a character that matches your preferences only increases the overall chemistry.

I have no qualms about maining someone who's "high tier" because I know I did not choose based on his tier status; I loved G&W's quirky playstyle since Melee, and I think he's just a really cool character overall. There are no doubt other players that use G&W just because he's "high tier", and I guarantee that the majority of those G&W players won't ever win a serious set (let alone a tournament) simply because he does not match their playstyles. In turn, their overall Brawl experience will suffer.

I pity the fools!

Super late response here but I need to point out that the assumption that a tier whore won't put enough effort into their chosen high tier character is relatively inaccurate. True many scrubs that decide they want to tier whore for the reason of not having to put effort into the character won't amount to much well but anyone that does for the reason of wanting to win tourneys will probably put just as much effort into the character as a true fan.

by **GuruKid** Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:42 am

Nakayorz wrote:
Super late response here but I need to point out that the assumption that a tier whore won't put enough effort into their chosen high tier character is relatively inaccurate. True many scrubs that decide they want to tier whore for the reason of not having to put effort into the character won't amount to much well but anyone that does for the reason of wanting to win tourneys will probably put just as much effort into the character as a true fan.

I never questioned their effort; I was stating that no matter how much tier whores may try to improve with a certain character, those players may not reach that top level (or even a mediocre level) simply because that character's playstyle clashes with that of the player. To reach the hypothetical absolute mastery of any character, your mind, reflexes, muscle memory... EVERYTHING has to be perfectly in-sync with the character.

Training alone can only go so far. The rest relies on pure, natural capibility and compatibility.

by Nakayorz Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:48 am

okay you have a point there but most of the tier whores that do bother to put effort in pick the high tier character they are most compatible with Very Happy

by Rei Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:50 am

GuruKid wrote:I never questioned their effort; I was stating that no matter how much tier whores may try to improve with a certain character, those players may not reach that top level (or even a mediocre level) simply because that character's playstyle clashes with that of the player. To reach the hypothetical absolute mastery of any character, your mind, reflexes, muscle memory... EVERYTHING has to be perfectly in-sync with the character.

Training alone can only go so far. The rest relies on pure, natural capibility and compatibility.

I agree. If a character just doesn't fit you stop wasting your time and move on. I'm learning that the hard way, unfortunately. Rolling Eyes

by **GuruKid** Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:00 am

Nakayorz wrote:okay you have a point there but most of the tier whores that do bother to put effort in pick the high tier character they are most compatible with

If the high-tier character they choose happens to fit perfectly, then... grrr... They're still scum. Rolling Eyes

by Brawler04 Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:05 am

lol meta knights... ggrrrrrrr

by lolololololololololololol Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:21 am

No wonder i can Never beat a meta knight...

Btw, if you pit CPU's together on singleplayer usually the higher tier charecter wins...

by **Zephron©** Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:30 am

As for my playstyle, there are a few things a char must have for me to main them:
Im slowly realizing what kind of things I need for a character.
1.) Quick down smash that gets them far away from you
2.) A good projecile
3.) A sweetspot would be nice Smile

4.) Good Recovory bc I suicide alot

Now Zelda, TL, and Lucas all fit this... or at least 3 of the 4.
Now.. wonder if theres a char I havent tried that fits them all..? Idk... but TL or Zelda still seem my best bet.

by DragoonBlaze Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:30 pm

lol, zeph, good thinking! I think I'm starting to think like that, too. I feel like this is the way it is for a pro!

by Plaid02 Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:31 pm

I think tiers are pretty stupid. They were mostly true in melee, but in brawl I think you can get really good with anyone. Or at least close. There are a couple of lesser characters, probably, but I couldn't name them.

by Rei Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:34 pm

True, Brawl is very even. The Tier line is very thin ,but I still think it's there. Snake and Meta are very broken. In Melee, Sheik, Fox, and Falco were unstoppable. lol

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