Spamming. Skillfull or Annoying?

Thanks for opening this topic up, Rei. It's been bothering me for awhile.
For people who have played me, I spam most of Toon Link's projectiles. However, I do not think I am close to the Bad spam line. I only spam when you are far away, and If youre far away and I'm Toon Link thats your mistake.

I say that if someone cant beat a spamming Pit, and let's say the Pit won, I will personally say to you that the Pit was better. Why? Because, you need to have a strategy and learn how to beat people like that. Sure, it takes no skill to spam arrows, but it does take skill to weave around the arrows, dodge, and get a good attack on him. Which is what you should do eventually. As for Zelda, I try my best not to spam, but as you guys know, Zelda's fireball move is one of the best projectiles in the game. That doesnt mean I shouldnt use them just because of your personal preference!

Spamming is a legit tactic, and even to the bad point. Why? Because if you cant beat a spammer, that shows you have something to learn. Learn how to avoid that spammed attack, prevent them from using it to a point, and beat them!

I will say its god d^&* annoying, and it is. But, thats no reason to let yourself lose.

well the reason people use projectiles is because they're on the other side of the map. i mean you can't really hit them with a light a or something so why not use the projectile, it's their fault if they decide to stay and wait over there.

but thats how i feel when i'm throwing yoshi's eggs.

Offline I can see it being skillfull as a spacing maneuver. Online it's skillless without even a second thought. People who dont short hop link's arrow, toon link's double arrow, falco's laser, and pikachu's projectile are already kind of on the side of worthless. The concept that "well if theyre on the other side why not just throw as many projectiles as you can" is silly. In an offline match if I'm in the lead I'll purposefully stand on the other side because frankly you're not going to kill me with any projectile save din's fire (which is also a worthless move) so if you don't know how to approach and are using that to make me come to you... well I'm in the lead, I can just sit there jumping and shielding all day.

@Zeph
Well to me the unskillful spamming is terrible. A monkey could hold a controller and tap away on the C-stick and that would not be skill. Maybe getting around the spamming (like you said) would be a skill.

@Ryko
Online, Dodging a barrage of arrows is difficult. Well for me at least. Offline (like you said) it's a piece of cake.

Rei Kaze wrote:@Zeph
Well to me the unskillful spamming is terrible. A monkey could hold a controller and tap away on the C-stick and that would not be skill. Maybe getting around the spamming (like you said) would be a skill.

@Ryko
Online, Dodging a barrage of arrows is difficult. Well for me at least. Offline (like you said) it's a piece of cake.

@Rei Thats what I'm trying to say. Stop complaining about spammers if you cant beat them. Its hell as annoying on wi fi I know but you gotta learn to get past that.
@Ryko Zelda has no good approaching moves, save for Farores wind, which really shouldnt be used as that because of the lag afterwards and how most good players shield. I use dins fire far away just because it keeps pressure on you. Once you get to halfway in the stage I will approach you then.

Rei Kaze wrote:
@Rei Thats what I'm trying to say. Stop complaining about spammers if you cant beat them. Its hell as annoying on wi fi I know but you gotta learn to get past that.
then.

I wasn't complaining. I'm just saying saying bad spamming requires no skill. You can't get past in on wifi because lag stops you with button lag. Also, I can beat spammers.

I wasnt saying you were complaining or saying you cant beat spammers. I'm just saying how common those answers are. And yes, button lag is an issue -.- Sorry to have somehow hurt you -.-

No, you didn't offend me. I was just debating! lol XD

Spamming is a skill, it's your gamestyle or how you play. offline or online I still say it's spamming is skills. If you can't beat that players gamestyle it means you lost to that player, don't blame it on spam.

Ok well what if all they did that match was Pikachu's Thunder would you consider that skill? again I'm not being mean this is a debate

yeah, theres way to counter and that move isn't good to spam. It could be risky too.

Well, it would be nice if those spammers would switch there moves up once in awhile. Also I do love countering their spams! XD

Zelda's approaches are limited but frankly everyone's approaches are limited. Some people have pitiful dash attacks (marth, ike to some degree), some people have pitiful dash grabs, some people have pitiful approaching aerials (sonic, zelda), few characters have good all 3 (sheik is one of the characters that does). Farore's is actually a pretty terrible approach since you don't need to even scout the exit point correctly, you just need to scout the timing of exit on the move. Pressure-wise, din's fire is actually fairly bad itself. Its best use is a mid-range chase stuffer.

Spamming is skillless. Some characters are meant to do so and i'll state plainly whether or not a person is good with that character but it's a function of someone who cant grasp spacing so they pre-empt the need for it by trying to keep someone on the other side of the screen. You don't need to beat it for 100% of the match, you have to beat it once then let the spammer's weakness be their downfall (lacking ability to approach).

i say, in some cases, spamming is a skill and sometimes spamming is not because some brawlers i've faced repeat the same button twice or three times (three times as the max) to follow up with a good combo but then again, i see and brawl those people who just repeatedly press a button without thinking and just continues doing that, thinking it's fun and that "i'm building up damage easily. i'm gonna win that match." so it depends. so once you're playing with someones that "spams for no reason", once you break their spamming, it's over for them but for the people "that spam to follow up with a combo" are good. this is how i think of it. remember, spamming to on eperson may be wrong but to another person is a way of playing and people who use it to bring down others probably spam themselves. i've seen the best players have some spamming in their brawls so there is basically no point in arguing like this and saying that spamming is bad and wrong. it is true that some characters have a spamming nature but it's also true not to abuse the move. As far as this topic goes, and as long as people brawl, you'll be able to distinguish those brawlers that abuse or actually use...heehee, that rhymes!

Good point dragoon!

Ps: We are not arguing. We are debating! ^_^

Spamming... Isn't for noobs or pros. Noobs just button mash, atleast you know How to spam But after spamming like the 50th time, it gets annoying.

Oh, and, Your lame.

For the most part.. spamming is annoying in a lot of situations but mostly, just because it works and a lot of people just get irritated to it for that very same reason, it works. (like.. when a melee hero is fighting a ranged hero in WC3 and the ranged hero doesn't wanna stay still and let the melee hero attack him/her. so the ranged hero kites the melee hero and then the person controlling the melee hero gets all pissy and demands that they stay still, lol) and no I'm not talking about the thoughtless spamming of Falco's laser and sheild then dash away.. I pretty much agree with Dragoon.

example of combo spamming: I fought a Zero Suit Samus online once and I was completely blown away both by the fact that the other player spammed the same combo and took out a life within a matter of 10 or 15 seconds. Down Smash, Down Smash, Up B, Down Smash, Down Smash, Up B / Forward B and bam, there's a life down. If by some miracle I survived that onslaught the player would hunt me down with 1 move and that was with her forward B. And yes I was irritated from that but also shocked out of how effective it was. Anyways.. I think spamming is more of an effective tactic if used right.

lol, who voted rei is lame?

Zero wrote:lol, who voted rei is lame?

Pee voted I was lame. When I made that poll I just put that option there to have some fun. I knew Pee would pick Rei is lame because me and him are always fooling around. XD

It couldve been me rei...... lol jk I voted the top one.

A combo, as in an actual combo, should not be considered spam. ZSS's down smash to up B is a guaranteed combo, in the same way that on lucas, and kirby and link, a lot of ike's jab cancels to grabs are combos. There's a difference between being set up and being spammed.

lol, your right ryko..

*shrug* I know I'm right, your childish dismissal of a valid point won't really change much.

Somebody is thinking awfully highly of theirself. I'm just stickin to what I said because your a bit too much of the "all knowing" (kinda like a christian) type for my tastes and I don't really wanna waste my time trying to argue/debate with a wall, basically.

:"/

anyways! That's off topic. You're still spamming if you're constantly using the same combo over and over and over and over.. and over, and over.. and over. Sure your using more than just 1 or 2 moves.. but not much more.. a variety of 3 or 4 moves in the same combo.. over.. and over... and yadda yadda.. still spamming your just spamming a combo.